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Entry tags:dork: historical, dork: who, music: mine
(This entire post was won by [livejournal.com profile] cmattg in the [community profile] help_pakistan auction. His prompt is spoilery for the Doctor Who finale so it's under the following spoiler text: 1800+ years, Rory must have inspired at least one artist, yes? I would therefore like THE BALLAD OF THE LONE CENTURION in your best faux-folk style. It can be slightly tongue-in-cheek but mostly serious, please. My post itself is probably only spoilery if you've seen episode twelve and not thirteen, but caveat lector.)

So as a lot of you know, I am a history major suffering through the first throes of thesis work, and last year I was very nearly pulled into a vortex of medievalism by a teacher who was really into the Ottoman Empire. He's teaching at Haverford now and he put up his booklist for the classes he's doing this fall, and on a whim I JSTORed the articles, and it kind of turns out that folk music is hilarious as a historical document because it comes from all over the place and all over the time.

For some reason I got really enamored of this one, even though it doesn't sound like anything really from the Childe ballads and is probably a contemporary invention. It might be because it baffles the crap out of the musicologists.

It's called "the Ballad of the Lone Centurion". It's based on this myth which I cannot believe I haven't read about before, completely localized to the north of England and Scotland in the 16th and 17th centuries. Apparently this dude (unnamed) guarded a massive iron vault, and he wasn't a fairy (I mean I assume that's what "not a gentleman" means in this context) but was immortal (??) and, of course, a centurion. Don't ask me why they knew about centurions in 16th century English folk music! Maybe he was wearing the helmet. Anyway there are all these variations of this melody, and there's another one in France from the Templar period which is really popular among the Holy Blood Holy Grail types (lots of vault imagery), which actually got repurposed in the revolution, but never mind that. Here is the probable original version.

there was a soldier from the north was coming home from war,
and he was tired and he was cold and he was dreadful sore,
he'd fought for england in the east and he would never yield
but now he was so hungry that he'd thought he'd lost the field

and on the hill a stranger called and offered him to dine,
and broke him bread and carved him cheese and poured him out his wine,
"oh stranger, you are kind, and that's the rarest thing to see,
for I am but a soldier, and none will mourn for me

and I am coming home, sir,
I am coming home,
but a battle-cry and a battlefield
are all I've ever known."

the stranger he was solemn and was clothed in all in red,
and while the soldier ate his meal, he never broke his bread.
"oh stranger, why do you talk so much, and eat no earthly crumb,
and why do you sit on the hillside and never shift a thumb."

"oh, I may eat when the world is new, and all the stars appear,
I talk because I'm all alone, and I am all I hear,
and I am on the hill because my charge is in the rye,
i guard a box with all my life, i'll guard it till I die."

he's never coming home, boys,
never coming home,
for a sorry box and a hillside
are all he's ever known

"oh stranger, you are sorrowing, your eyes are dropping low,
but what it is you sorrow for, well, I will never know,
for you have never seen the wars and never seen the dead,
and when I go to my sorry grave, you'll still be here instead."

"oh soldier, I have seen the dead, and I have seen the wars,
and I've been tired, and I've been cold, and I've been dreadful sore,
but I've no home to go and I'll soon be marching on,
for I am but a soldier, the lone centurion."

he's never coming home, boys,
never coming home,
for a sorry box and a hillside
are all he's ever known

~

And if you survived that, here's one that must be later, with a whole lot of unnecessary harping about hair color that implies to me that the bard in question had a thing for a redhead. This one is my favorite and I have recorded myself singing it and put it up on the YouTubes. It is a bit faster!

there was a maiden fair who once was promised to a man
and sure to find a better one she swore to walk the land
her johnny was a brave boy and a honest boy and true
but he was but a soldier and that would never do

she'd heard a tale of a lonely man who stood a lonely guard
a scholar and a gentleman and oh, his life was hard,
she thought she'd go and find his side and stay there if she could
and when a maiden sets her mind it's all made up for good

i'm never coming home, girls,
never coming home
for a plot of land on the hillside
is all i've ever known

and when she'd been a-wandering in heather and in wood,
she found that she had lost her way and it was lost for good
and since the towns were far afield and she was all alone,
she sat her down on the hillside and sang herself a moan,

a stranger dressed in red came up and listened as she sang
his hands were thin and his cheeks were thin and his face was awful plain
but his voice was sweet, his manner meet, and he sat him down and smiled
and said "why do you sit on the hillside," and she was fair beguiled

oh she's never coming home, girls,
never coming home
for a plot of land on the hillside
is all she's ever known

"i searched the highlands all for you, and found you at your post,
I'm looking for a husband, and I think you'll suit me most.
For you will never leave me to go marching off to war,
and if you'll give me your hand, sir, I'll never leave you more."

"Oh maiden, with your hair of red, you tell me you will stay,
but soon you will be cold and dead and I will march away,
and if you're searching for gentlemen, you'll never be my bride,
for I am but a soldier, it cannot be denied."

and he's never coming home, boys,
never coming home
for a sorry box and a hillside
are all he's ever known

the maiden said, "what a lackaday that I have left my town
for it's to find a gentleman that I've gone up and down
but still I want a man who will not leave me at my gate,
and I'll still marry you if I can, for you know how to wait."

"Oh maiden, with your hair so red, you ought to be my brother,
for though you're fair as fair can be, I'm promised to another,
so do not toss your hair, my lass, nor tarry at the gate,
my love, she sleeps in iron walls, and it's all for her I wait."

and he's never coming home, boys,
never coming home
for a sorry box and a hillside
are all he's ever known

"tell me now, do you love your lad?" "oh yes, I love him so,
but that's no comfort in the night when he's beneath the snow."
"oh maiden, if you won't be left a-waiting on the shelf
then why not go for a soldier, and see it all yourself."

so back she went to her Johnny boy, and married him instead,
they had a pair of children with such bonny hair of red,
and when at last he was called away, a-marching in his wake,
came a pretty lad with hair of red, her soldier for to take

and they're never coming home, lads,
never coming home,
for a plot of land on the hillside
is all they've ever known

~

Obviously this raises lots of fun historical interpretations. He's King Arthur! He's Merlin! He's been bewitched by the fairy queen like Tam Lin and Thomas the Rhymer (this one seems unlikely to me because then surely there'd be that ballad? Where a lot more happens?) He's a metaphor for Jesus! (They're all metaphors for Jesus.) He is actually a woman, see the last bit of the ladyversion, and she's cursed to her vigil because she transgressed gender roles! He's the monarchy, and it's actually from the Glorious Revolution, and it's a metaphor for how terribly Oliver Cromwell is treating the country! I have read all these papers or forum posts.

It'd be easier if there were other supporting myths, but it really does seem to have arisen out of nowhere and faded into nowhere -- just this guy with an iron box, who crops up all over the world for like a hundred years and then disappears. [livejournal.com profile] amberdulen would say he's obviously a time traveler, or a ghost, or a robot ghost time traveler, but that's for Andrew Bird to decide.


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(Anonymous)
2010-09-06 01:23 am UTC (link)
I kind of love you a lot right now.

RORY BALLADS. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

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nextian: Amy Pond smiling in black and white. (outer smile)

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[personal profile] nextian
2010-09-06 02:24 am UTC (link)
BATYA, DO YOU WANT A CODE? HAVE A CODE. 5QGAHJC3M764FAAAEF4S

And I still haven't even done the one where it's all a series of puns about short swords and giant boxes.

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[personal profile] batyatoon
2010-09-06 03:03 pm UTC (link)
(... oh hey look at that. *admires new account*)



ffffhahahahaha of course there has to be that one.

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[personal profile] vesperregina
2010-09-06 02:06 am UTC (link)
Oh my gosh. *fangirls*

This hit all sorts of unknown wants I had. I love how you introduce this as 'for real, seriously' and the song! Rory! A ballad about Rory!

*cough* Love it madly, actually, both versions. Off to rec. Thanks for sharing!

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nextian: Amy Pond smiling in black and white. (outer smile)


[personal profile] nextian
2010-09-06 02:26 am UTC (link)
Oh, hooray, and thank you! I'm glad you liked the ridiculous intro. I'm curious -- how'd you get here? Front page? There are many arcane ways of browsing DW I haven't worked out yet. ^^;;

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[personal profile] vesperregina
2010-09-06 04:04 am UTC (link)
No arcane ways here! I was just browsing through reading lists of reading lists (friends of friends, it used to be--Dreamwidth's terminology escapes that simplicity of terminology).

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[personal profile] cmattg
2010-09-06 04:13 am UTC (link)
!

Let me expand on that: ! ! !

I love it!

The only regret I have is that I forgot to ask for fiddles. :-(

But anyway, this is lovely, and two versions to boot! Thanks SO much.

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nextian: Black Canary with a big grin. (canary grin)


[personal profile] nextian
2010-09-06 05:47 am UTC (link)
Hooray! I'm glad you like it. I'm sorry for the lack of fiddles but I only play acoustic guitar. If I should come across an itinerant fiddle I'll get back to you. :) This was so much fun to do, so thank you for giving me the opportunity!

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[personal profile] rymenhild
2010-09-06 07:48 am UTC (link)
No, no, the secret to this ballad is the constant emphasis on red. The 'lone centurion' who keeps his vigil clothed in red, and attracts maidens with similarly red hair, must be a hitherto unknown figure of the northern English forest mythologies. He is clearly a Red Man or Red Knight who is the antithesis of the Green Man/Knight. The Red Man is the spirit of his territory, a guardian of the land. The true love to whom this being is sworn, whom the "Centurion" or Red Man guards on the obviously symbolic hillside, is of course none other than the Sovereignty Goddess.

A crucial piece of evidence for the existence of the Red Man may be found in Malory's Tale of Sir Gareth, where after defeating a Green Knight (surely an echo of the Green Knight and forest spirit whom Gareth's brother Gawain faced so famously), Gareth proceeds to defeat a similar, yet more powerful Red Knight of the Red Lands. In conquering the Red Lands and acquiring the Red Knight's armor, Gareth himself begins to embody the Red Man.

Further research on the subject of the Red Man is necessary in order to examine this previously unknown but pivotal mythological entity.

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nextian: From below, a woman and a flock of birds. (in flight)


[personal profile] nextian
2010-09-06 07:58 am UTC (link)
Oh, I was really hoping a historian would weigh in! I imagine there's significance in Gareth's Red Knight being a Sir Ironsides as well -- perhaps that's where the iron walls and the box come from, or the other way around. If he is really guarding the Sovereignty Goddess I imagine there's another ballad that could probably be found where the a ruler fights (or judging by these, fiercely debates) him for the right to access her. Symbolic abduction is always fun.

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rymenhild: Manuscript page from British Library MS Harley 913 (Llude sing cuccu)


[personal profile] rymenhild
2010-09-06 05:22 pm UTC (link)
Oh, good catch on the Sir Ironsides thing! I'd forgotten that.

*grins at you*

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[personal profile] batyatoon
2010-09-06 03:03 pm UTC (link)
...Rym, you are my favorite. <3 <3 <3

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[personal profile] lienne
2010-09-06 11:23 am UTC (link)
<33333333333333

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[personal profile] nextian
2010-09-06 05:22 pm UTC (link)
♥ EVEN THOUGH IT'S BAFFLING

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[personal profile] skygiants
2010-09-06 11:55 pm UTC (link)
I was already loving this, and then you threw in crossdressing. IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW THE WAY TO MY HEART.

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[personal profile] nextian
2010-09-07 01:27 am UTC (link)
I consider us dear sisters in the cult of "everything is better when it involves gender-performative clothes shenanigans." And also I stole an embarrassing amount of my folksong knowledge from Monstrous Regiment.

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[personal profile] be_themoon
2010-09-07 12:55 am UTC (link)
You are MADE OF WIN. It is so SHINY and beautiful! <333

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[personal profile] nextian
2010-09-07 01:30 am UTC (link)
I am delighted that you enjoyed it! :)

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[personal profile] yasaman
2010-09-07 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Ahahaha, even with the Doctor Who tag and spoiler, I almost bought that they were actual folk ballads. I am so gullible. /o\ Needless to say, I love them. Ballads! About Rory! ♥

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[personal profile] nextian
2010-09-07 05:33 pm UTC (link)
I sort of suspect a lot of people have fallen into that cunning trap. I am frankly delighted, if a bit embarrassed that I didn't signpost it well enough. Thank you!

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[personal profile] carrieann
2010-09-08 02:21 am UTC (link)
Okay, these? Totally in love with.

*hearts you and these ballads and your singing* <3

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[personal profile] sophia_sol
2010-12-09 10:37 pm UTC (link)
Hi, I just stumbled across this, and excuse me while I *gibber with delight*. This is basically everything I never knew I wanted in fannish songs. Folk music, with delightfully folk-music tropes! Historical interpretation! Gorgeous songs! So much love right now, you have no idea. (RORY!)

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[personal profile] nextian
2010-12-11 06:09 am UTC (link)
THANK YOU! It was really delightful reading your comment over at Aria's :) I had sooo much fun making this so I'm very glad you enjoyed it.

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[personal profile] sentientcitizen
2010-12-10 03:02 pm UTC (link)
Oh, my goodness! This is just - so - it's - *flails in inarticulate delight* This is WONDERFULL, it makes my tiny inner historian SO HAPPY and my largeish inner Rory fan EVEN HAPPIER, if that's even possible, and my gigantic not-so-inner Doctor Who fan HAPPIEST OF ALL. Also the songs are gorgeous and so is your preformance, and you are a crazily talented individual. <3 <3 <3

THANK YOU FOR BEING AWESOME. (SO AWESOME I CAN'T STOP USING CAPS.)

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[personal profile] nextian
2010-12-11 06:09 am UTC (link)
Oh man, thank you so much!!! THE CAPS ARE APPRECIATED. I really enjoyed making it and I'm glad you enjoyed listening to it!

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[personal profile] shinealightonme
2010-12-10 09:05 pm UTC (link)
This is sheer brilliance! It really feels like an old folk song and is super catchy, and just does such a great job filling in the Rory myth. I adore it endlessly ♥

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[personal profile] nextian
2010-12-11 06:10 am UTC (link)
Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed it.

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[personal profile] beatrice_otter
2010-12-14 02:59 am UTC (link)
AHAHAHA! This is awesome, and perfect!

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[personal profile] spintheiryarns
2010-12-18 06:07 am UTC (link)
Man, you got me /o\

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[personal profile] nextian
2010-12-23 04:40 pm UTC (link)
Hahah, I think I accidentally got a lot of people! Thanks for listening.

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[personal profile] beatrice_otter
2010-12-23 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Is the audio-only first version available for download anywhere so I can put it in my folk-song playlist?

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[personal profile] nextian
2010-12-23 04:41 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for liking it, and yes! If you click on the player itself, you'll be taken to the tindeck page, where to the right there should be a link that says "Download Mp3".

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[personal profile] recessional
2011-01-05 04:07 pm UTC (link)
Now the question is, did dying-universe-wee!Amy still have the fascination with Romans in Britain, and if so, did she know this song?

And thus, does Amy later get a random earworm in the TARDIS and inflict the song on everyone? XD

This is fantastic. :D

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[personal profile] curuchamion
2011-09-16 01:15 am UTC (link)
I WANT THIS TO BE CANON NOW. Because folk music makes everything better. XD

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[personal profile] fenellaevangela
2011-01-08 02:31 am UTC (link)
Oh GOSH, this is delightful! I'm going to have to download the first one and listen to it over and over :-) I may also resort to some sort of youtube rip to get the second one . . .

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(Anonymous)
2011-06-18 03:42 pm UTC (link)
You put so much effort into this, made it seam so "historical"


Haha, I think you made my Rory-Fan-ness go up a notch or fifteen.

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[personal profile] bookdragon01
2011-11-11 08:39 pm UTC (link)
This is really awesome. I'm not surprised 16th century folk music would know about centurions - the only thing most people knew was bible stories and there were lots of myths about the subsequent life of the one who stood at the foot of the cross and declared 'Truly this was the son of god'. (Sure he probably meant Jupiter or similar, but that's why the Christian versions of midrash as so much fun).

But he really doesn't seem to be a Grail knight, does he? Very cool little puzzle.

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(Anonymous)
2011-12-16 04:37 am UTC (link)
This is absolutely beautiful. I particularly like the first version. I don't suppose you would mind if I did a version of the first one one YouTube would you? I would credit you of course. Email me at dgt@workcomm.com to let me know if that's alright, because I really do think this is quite beautiful.

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[personal profile] silentstep
2011-12-18 02:37 pm UTC (link)
This is my new favorite thing.

MY NEW FAVORITE THING FOREVER.

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[personal profile] silentstep
2011-12-18 03:42 pm UTC (link)
Also, is there a way to download the first one?

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